Humainquivolepas

frogsandrosbifs:

survivorrat:

[“Just ignore them. They’ll stop.”
When!?]
One of the phrases (from amongst several) I heard the most often when I was dealing with bullies in middle school. Does this ever work? Ever?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’m still mad at my mum for saying this everytime

Yes that’s what I tried and… doesn’t work… But I’m still raelly lucky I’ve mostly been spared by bullies when I compare my experience to the experience of lot of people I read describe what happened to them, and that’s probably because I was lucky enough to go to schools where the adults were taking this seriously and not always telling me this kind of bullshit…. And still my experience was far from ideal.

survivorrat:

[“Just ignore them. They’ll stop.”

When!?]

One of the phrases (from amongst several) I heard the most often when I was dealing with bullies in middle school. Does this ever work? Ever?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I’m still mad at my mum for saying this everytime

Yes that’s what I tried and… doesn’t work… But I’m still raelly lucky I’ve mostly been spared by bullies when I compare my experience to the experience of lot of people I read describe what happened to them, and that’s probably because I was lucky enough to go to schools where the adults were taking this seriously and not always telling me this kind of bullshit…. And still my experience was far from ideal.

Hey everyone, this is REALLY serious.

objektophil:

I was recently contacted by a person named Christine Albrecht, who found me on Tumblr. Christine Albrecht is a casting associate with 20 West Productions out of Chicago, IL, and right now they’re looking for an objectum-sexual person, ostensibly for a docu-series about “uncommon lifestyles.”

THIS IS A LIE.

Christine Albrecht is not just a casting associate for the innocently-named 20 West Productions. Christine Albrecht is a casting director for My Strange Addiction. If you’ve ever seen the show, then you know that it’s basically about ridiculing and pathologizing folks who have addictions.

Objectum-sexuality is not an addiction. It’s a sexuality. Surely you see what’s very wrong about contacting objectum-sexuals to appear on My Strange Addiction.

This person does not understand what objectum-sexuality actually is. This person is all about pathologizing, ridiculing, and making a joke out of objectum-sexuals on national television.

If you talk to this person, your career could be at stake. Your reputation. Your relationships. Possibly, perhaps, your life.

Other objectum-sexuals who have spoken out, such as Erika Eiffel, have gotten death threats and other very nasty things. At its mildest, there are degrading jokes and ridicule that could come out of this. At its worst, threats on your life.

Please do not take up Christine Albrecht’s offer to be in a docu-series about “uncommon lifestyles.” It’s not as innocent as that. If Christine Albrecht contacts you, ignore her or block her if necessary. You do NOT want a part of what she’s offering.

Signal boost this. Tell your OS/OR friends. Post this on any OS/OR message boards you may be on (I already covered OSI so don’t worry about that). DO NOT LET ANYONE FALL FOR THIS TRAP. The OS/OR community is a small one, and we need to protect each other.

_CFS

Signal Boost I suppose

(TRIGGER WARNING, DERIDING OF IDENTITIES DEEMED “WEIRD” MENTION OF OPPRESSION AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES WITH IT after the quote is my comment disagreeing with it) Personally, I think they all suffer from plain old “being boring” oppression. You know, the kind where you’re dull and you watch too much TV and you feel a desperate need to be cool, different, part of a group. One could almost say that “interesting” people are oppressive, flaunting their interestingness in your face, telling stories of suffering and pain, while you know you live in a comfortable 2-bedroom apartment your mom and dad paid for, drive in a car that you’ve never had to personally get fixed, and the most harassment you ever received in your life was being told you were weird that one time you wore neon orange lipstick and spandex to your junior prom in high school.

But besides being all very ridiculous, it does have a clear-cut, damaging effect to legitimate oppression, those where people are actually dying, becoming homeless, being forced into prostitution, and living in dire poverty, unable to get a hand up. When you take the words of those who truly suffer, not because they feel emotions while sitting in their middle-class home behind their thousand dollar computer, but because they spent 15 years in jail on a trumped up charge they didn’t even commit, and are now unable to get a job due to stigmatization that doesn’t apply across the board, those people now receive less of the sympathy and help they need to survive. For every person that complains that a disagreement on the internet about their catbunnyanimusparklegirl status triggers them (despite them continuing the argument until the wee hours of the morning), someone who is so triggered they can barely breathe, curled up, reliving trauma, is invalidated, ignored, and not provided what they need.

Ridicule the silly internet people, make fun of and dismiss their claims of oppression as not worth your time, but remember as you do that they’ve stolen from people who do need your help. Just because everyone is shouting at once doesn’t mean there aren’t still real voices to be heard.

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Pretending You’re Oppressed: The New Internet Fad (via mohandasgandhi)

(and a lot of those real voices are also on the internet and are not to be mistaken for the above-mentioned silly internet people)

My (humainsvolants) comment begins here:
WTF??????

Maybe I didn’t understood this right but is this again one of those posts claiming that otherkin and other weird identified people are claiming oppression and causing all the internet to forget that real oppressed people exist ?

Because this is just Wrong!

as far as I know.

1) Most Otherkins and other people whose identities are considered silly are actually not claiming to be oppressed, I don’t think a whole group of people should be ridiculed or accused just because of what is said by a few of them.

2) I didn’t see all of this by myself, but according to what I heard those who do have written some of the most egregious things (I hope I used the right word, my english is not perfect.) under the identity of otherkins were actually trolls creating entire blogs pretending to be otherkins to mock them ! So it seems to me that here, it’s actually the mocking people who are trivializing oppression, not the mocked!

3) The idea that only rich white cis straight neurotypical able-bodied people have these identities is a fallacy, did you know that the people I learned about these identities from where people of colour, trans and/or disabled ?

4) Even if the word oppression may seems too much, I don’t think it’s an excuse to trivialize the very real issues and hatred these people have gone through because of their identities by pretending that they are all just a bunch of bored privileged people just trying to look special… I do think that oppression or not, regularly receiving death threats on the internet is a f°cking serious matter… and should I mention that I know of at least one case where people attempted to KILL someone because this person happened to be otherkin and another person was raped because she outed herself as otherkin… these are act of hatred, this is serious!!!

5) I also think the quote is completely missing the point, if people forget the existence of oppression I don’t think it’s because of “silly people appropriating oppression” really oppressive people or people who want to deny their privileges use this argument to justify themselves being oppressive or not giving a shit!, It seems to me that this is a very common tactics used even against people who are from a group that is unarguably oppressed, using the example of someone from that group who has said or done silly or actually wrong thing, or used fallacious argument, as an excuse to dismiss the entire group and the oppression they may be facing. I think that actually respectuous decent people won’t brush off the entire possibility of the existence of oppression just because one person one day happened to wrongfully pretend to be oppressed.

6) Also I think it’s rally f°ck°d up and wrong to condone the mocking and the bullying of an entire group of persons under the pretense that some of them ayed something that was wrong and problematic.

Arguing is fine, but TO MOCK AND BULLY THE IDENTITY OF PEOPLE OPPRESSED OR NOT, WHO DIDN’T DO ANY HARM JUST BY EXISTING I FIND IT UTTERLY WRONG, ESPECIALLY IF THESE PEOPLE ARE A MINORITY AND ARE NOT IN POWER

I DON’T THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF HATE AND HORRORS THAT SOME OPPRESSED PEOPLE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS SHOULD EVER BE USED TO DISMISS CONCERNS WITH PROBLEMS THAT WHILE LESSER ARE STILL VERY REALS. SOME PEOPLE GET PTSD OR COMMIT SUICIDE BECAUSE OF BULLYING, SOME PEOPLE SPEND THEIR ENTIRE LIVES HIDING, PRETENDING THEY ARE SOMEONE ELSE TO EVEN THE CLOSEST PEOPLE THEY HAVE IN THEIR LIVES BECAUSE THEIR IDENTITIES SOUND “SILLY” AND THEY FEAR THE MOCKERY AND BULLYING. I DON’T THINK THAT THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE LIVE EVEN INFINITELY WORST THINGS SHOULD MAKE US BELITTLE THIS, TO THE CONTRARY I THINK WE SHOULD WORK ALL THE WAY TO NOT ONLY ABOLISH ALL THE WORST KIND OF OPPRESSIONS BUT ALSO ALL THE OTHER F°CK°D UP KIND OF BIGOTRY THAT CAN CAUSE SO MUCH HARM OR RUIN LIVES… ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT THERE IS A LINK IN THE PREMISES OF ALL THIS SHIT.

SO I AGREE THAT WE SHOULDN’T FORGET ABOUT REAL INDUBITABLE CASES OF OPPRESSION BUT I DISAGREE THAT IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO PISS ON “ALL THOSE SILLY INTERNET WEIRD-IDENTITIES PEOPLE”

TRANSCRIPT:

(Quote by Albert Einstein:

THE IMPORTANT THING IS NOT TO STOP QUESTIONING, CURIOSITY HAS ITS OWN REASONS FOR EXISTING.

The word curiosity is in yellow and very big, there is a picture with a purple background, the picture is showing some students one in the middle who has pigtails (seems to at least present as a girl) is raising hir hand apparently painfully, trying to get attention that doesn’t seems to be received)

nekobakaz:

the-star-stuff:

ALBERT EINSTEIN: The important thing

Credit: Gavin Aung Than

I look at this and cry a little.

As a young student with disabilities (unknown to me, but you always know when you’re different), I have always had trouble initiating social contact, especially in school. I remember quite clearly being taught not to ask questions by a teacher. As a young student who rarely raised her hand to either volunteer information, answer questions, or ask questions, this had a profound effect on me, even to this day. The few times I was curious, or tried to answer questions, I was practically humiliated in front of the class and even sent to stand in the hall. I didn’t know what I had done wrong, other than raise my hand and speak.

Since Grade 4, I refused to answer teacher’s questions, raise my hand or participate in class. If I did, it was a huge feat for me, and only happened when I was absolutely sure of the answer, mainly in Grade 12. It probably affected my ability to ask for help and my willingness to request and use accommodation, meaning my grades probably suffered.

I’m turning 27 in a little over a week; I’m still dealing with this. It’s a bit easier, now that my classes are online. But how I wish that never happened to me, that throughout my academic career I could have been the girl in the picture, eager to openly ask questions and learn. I don’t think that teacher meant to hurt me like she did, but the fact remains that she did, and I’m living with the result.

I’m so sorry this happened to you.

(Trigger Warning : ableism, mention of bullying)

nekobakaz:

goldenheartedrose:

nekobakaz:

goldenheartedrose:

tide-and-wave:

[Conversation snipped, but in short, reasons why I’m not supporting the film “Bully”]

devongreen:

sirandrewgorman:

devongreen:

So you’re deciding not to support a movie that’s trying to make people aware of the effects of bullying, because its not catering to your needs? That’s what I’m getting at here.

Before I even read the continued comments by other Tumblr followers, ^ that comment is exactly what was going through my mind. The one that said, because the film isn’t catering to your needs you’re not supporting the movie. I don’t even know what to add, because it seems they won’t get it. The film’s one goal here is to make aware bullying, OF ALL KINDS!! ….some people

Exactly. The film isn’t about raising Autism awareness. Should they have some sort of mention of his Autism? Sure. But his Autism is apart of him. Its not who he is. And thus, the film shouldn’t focus on that. Merely the fact that he’s an individual who has had his school life ruined by bullying. I think these people who are getting salty need to grow up.

‘Kay so you seem to be missing the point. Let me break it down for you:

The reasons for why Tyler Long was bullied are traits associated with autism, such as a speech impediment (this is just one example, but generally autistic people are mocked for so-called “strange” behaviors).

Erasing his autism in the film erases why he was bullied.

Mentioning his autism does not make the film “about autism”. How many times do I have to say this?!

We get it, the film is about bullying. Mentioning that Tyler Long was autistic doesn’t take away from the message. Okay like seriously? Making someone accurate to who he was in real life “takes away from the message”? What the fuck?

I’m not asking they re-do the film, I’m asking for them to be accountable for their actions. I’m asking for them to say “Hey, we screwed up, and we’re truly sorry for that.” rather than “THIS IS ABOUT BULLYING AND AUTISM TAKES AWAY FROM THE MOVIE AND OMG WE SUPPORT AUTISM SPEAKS SO GOOD ENOUGH!”. Like holy shit, is it really THAT HARD to make a sincere apology? Add to this: they’re fucking hypocrites for being anti-bullying but supporting Autism Speaks, an organization that promotes fear-mongering towards autism. An organization that has filmed a mother next to her child saying that she could MURDER her child because she’s autistic. How can you be anti-bullying when you support that shit??

I’m fucking MAD because you know what? You allistics GET to see yourself accurately represented in the media. When autistics see ourselves in the media, it’s either portraying us as burdens or, at best, portraying us as Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory (which really isn’t entirely accurate either). I’m tired of autism being erased or being fetishized. I was fucking bullied as a kid. I don’t think it would hurt a 13-year-old autistic kid who feels isolated as fuck and desperate for attention to see someone like themselves in a film. ESPECIALLY knowing that bullying often happens to autistic people. WHY would it hurt to say “bullying against autistics is BAD”? What fucking harm would that do? Fucking none. Why does it scare you so much? Is the idea of inclusion REALLY that fucking horrible to you? No? Then shut the fuck up and LISTEN for once.

^^ THIS, THIS, THIS. This kid was bullied because of who he was. Who he was was an autistic kid. It is no more acceptable to leave out the fact that he was autistic than it is acceptable to leave out the fact that Tyler Clementi was gay.

Fucking allistics bathing in their privilege and don’t even know it. How nice to be able to be THAT oblivious.

also never mind that Autism Speaks have been downright bullies to autistic people online. There was a case where they threatened to sue copyright infringement on an autistic teen for a parody site, even though no money was being made from the site and it’s legal under terms of parody. Apparently though, it was impacting their “sales”, like A$ isn’t suppose to be non-profit.

Or why they’ve deleted comments from their Facebook page, have banned autistic people from commenting, etc.

yes yes! I’ve also had them try to shut me up via PR twitter. Didn’t work, I’m a bitch when it comes to this and I have a keyboard to talk through. They kept wanting to take the conversation to face-to-face, eliminating the public eyes and my ease of communication.

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eateroftrees:

girl-in-a-wheelchair:

eateroftrees:

fromonesurvivortoanother:

[image and discussion under link for allism, ableism]

I don’t understand the logic that went into this. “Of course his being Autistic had nothing at all to do with his being bullied. Nope, not at all”.

Oh ewwww

I was ready to skip over this, until I saw one response that had been made by “Bully” -

We have many partners who we are working with who are promoting autism awareness in our efforts, such as autism speaks.

So now I feel somewhat torn. I am really not okay with having autism erased like this, but I think the other things this film has covered are important.

I’m fairly sure I stand in a position of privilege saying this, but I’m not sure what to think, so I’m going to boost this signal and make sure as many people are aware of this as I can.

Well I certainly don’t need a movie talking about how allistic people are bullied because that’s going to do fuck all to help me. (And like, I don’t need a documentary to tell me what to think about this stuff, too; I already have experience)

The fact that it’s not even talking about allistic people but then is reframing it as about them basically comes off as them explicitly saying they don’t actually give a fuck about me. (And the fact that they’re supporting autism speaks pretty much confirms it)

It’s the same thing about stuff talking about bullying of gay youth; because it’s INEVITABLY allistic cis men that it’s about which does fuck all to help me. (Plus like, every other privilege so it does fuck all to help everyone who isn’t me, too)

But like, the dynamics of bullying of autistic people are different then the dymanics with allistic people, because HALF THE SHIT COMES FROM ADULTS and is framed as “treatment” and so forth; which is just further isolating and makes the abuse from your peers harder to get addressed because you don’t trust anyone.

Yes, all this.

I hate it the way the only kind of demographic regularly evocated as being a main target of bullying is gay men… and urgh… and as you said… in the case of Autism, so many of the bullying comes from the adults, and there is all this victim-blaming, which is ironically a speciality of associations like Autism Speaks.

And, AAAArgh!

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pencilcozy:

girl-in-a-wheelchair:

eateroftrees:

fromonesurvivortoanother:

[image and discussion under link for allism, ableism]

I don’t understand the logic that went into this. “Of course his being Autistic had nothing at all to do with his being bullied. Nope, not at all”.

Oh ewwww

I was ready to skip over this, until I saw one response that had been made by “Bully” -

We have many partners who we are working with who are promoting autism awareness in our efforts, such as autism speaks.

So now I feel somewhat torn. I am really not okay with having autism erased like this, but I think the other things this film has covered are important.

I’m fairly sure I stand in a position of privilege saying this, but I’m not sure what to think, so I’m going to boost this signal and make sure as many people are aware of this as I can.

My question would be, “do they erase all of the other things that the kids are bullied for?” Do they hide the aspects of the other kids they focus on? Do they erase sexuality, gender, economic status, heritage, etc for the other bullying victims?

I have a feeling they don’t, but I haven’t seen it, so I can’t be sure that they don’t omit the reasons other kids are bullied. If that’s the case, then I take no issue with the film. If one child’s autism is the only thing they hid, then it’s obviously just fucked up.

Yes, if someone knows the answer, please, this is an important point… I mean if they don’t mention any of the things these kids are bullied for, It’s problematic, but at least their argument makes sense…

But if they just do this with Autism, then they don’t even make sense and… I don’t even find the words

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girl-in-a-wheelchair:

eateroftrees:

fromonesurvivortoanother:

[image and discussion under link for allism, ableism]

I don’t understand the logic that went into this. “Of course his being Autistic had nothing at all to do with his being bullied. Nope, not at all”.

Oh ewwww

I was ready to skip over this, until I saw one response that had been made by “Bully” -

We have many partners who we are working with who are promoting autism awareness in our efforts, such as autism speaks.

So now I feel somewhat torn. I am really not okay with having autism erased like this, but I think the other things this film has covered are important.

I’m fairly sure I stand in a position of privilege saying this, but I’m not sure what to think, so I’m going to boost this signal and make sure as many people are aware of this as I can.

Well, as I said on another post, I think that it is really ironic that the makers of a film on bullying seems proud of a collaboration with an association that is essentially a gigantic bully.

Don’t make me trust them a lot.

This is just AAAArrgghh!

goldenheartedrose:

tide-and-wave:

tide-and-wave:

SO FUCKING LIVID. I redact any support I had for the film “Bully”. Here’s why: if you can’t read this, everything written in the above conversation, I’m writing below. Basically, I posted this on their wall. These are the responses I got.:

Me (Natty Catty Nat): I am deeply disappointed that you chose to erase Tyler’s autism from the film. The reality is, for the member of the autistic community, that we face bullying simply for existing because we’re different. As an autistic person, I redact my support from your film for erasing a cruel reality of many autistic people’s lives. This is upsetting to me, because I was originally in full support of this film and considering seeing it. Not anymore.

(2 people like this)

Joe: The Movie is about bullying and it’s effects on those that are targeted, people are bullied for a variety of reasons, it is up to us to get out there and educate those around us about Autism, it is not a movie about Autism. I have personal experience with watching a loved one get bullied because of having Autism Spectrum Disorder so I have lots of sympathy for those who are dissapointed that it is not highlighted in the film, but the main focus must be to get the word out regarding bullying so that action can take place socially within our society in the schools, government and in our communities. In doing this hopefully the more vunerable like those with autism will have more protection. Yours is not the first comment I have read being dissapointed the movie did not focus on Autism, I hope you can support the movie

Lin: suggestion,make a documentary about autism,i would go see it,my grandson has it,joe!question here is,was Tyler included because he was autistic,or because he was bullied,that’s a question only Lee Hirsch can answer…autistm has a worldwide support group finally(thank god) where is our worldwide group to spread the word on antibullying?we need one!

Lin: Lee,a suggestion lets do a documentary on autism!

Bully: Just as you experienced bullying because of your autism, millions of other kids experience bullying for a variety of different reasons. This is a film about bullying, not about autism. We have many partners who we are working with who are promoting autism awareness in our efforts, such as autism speaks. If you think omitting tyler’s autism from the film takes away from its message, that no matter what card one was dealt in their life, whether it be a neurodevelopmental disorder or a sexual preference for example, they should be provided with a school environment that is safe and supportive in this country, then so be it.

Natty Catty Nat (me): It isn’t okay to erase his autism, considering the it was the traits of his autism that got him bullied. Your film may be about bullying, but that doesn’t mean you’re required to erase a core reason why someone was bullied. It wouldn’t take away the message of the film. Your erasure of his autism makes it into something shameful, and in that right, you’re no better than those who bullied him.

Also note: Autism Speaks is a horrible organization that promotes fear-mongering over autism, rather than acceptance. They do not speak for autistics.

In short, this was their response to me:

PORTRAYING AUTISM TAKES AWAY FROM THE FILM.

IT’S ALL HUNKY DORY BECAUSE WE’RE SUPPORTING TO AUTISM SPEAKS.

GUYS I’M SO MAD I COULD SCREAM.

My post is here.

Reblogging this again because holy shit they are just NOT. GETTING IT. I don’t feel like taking another screencap of this conversation, but wowwww, fuck this guy, this is the comment that he left (and if you want proof, go to the link).

Joe: Autism is not shameful , would you people stop stop saying this, the movie does not say this. Stop getting on a soap box about an issue and support the movie. We can educate about Autism and people are doing this. We need to help stop bullying by going to see this movie and spreading the word, knock it off and stop being so foolish!

In short, fuck everything having to do with this film.

Now I’m even more angry.

I don’t have the words… but as soon as they mentioned Autism Speaks, I thought at this post: http://embracingchaos.stephanieallencrist.com/2010/10/offending-autism-speaks/

Stephanie says it very well in her post, here is a quote:

As an organization, Autism Speaks is a bully—a well-funded, politically powerful bully that believes that eugenics is the solution to autism. And that offends me. They use their size and their wealth to attempt to stomp out disagreement.

So yes, what we have at the discussion on top of the page, Is someone involved in a movie against bullying, who defends a F**k-up of the movie on Autistic People, by trying to reassure us by mentioning their link to an association THAT IS IN ITSELF ONE OF THE BIGGEST BULLIES IN THE AUTISM WORLD.

If someone of you has a facebook account, you might mention it

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eateroftrees:

fromonesurvivortoanother:

[image and discussion under link for allism, ableism]

I don’t understand the logic that went into this. “Of course his being Autistic had nothing at all to do with his being bullied. Nope, not at all”.

Oh ewwww

No… No… No… NOOOOOOOOO!

And the thing about Autism Speaks URRRRGGHHH!

I think I will devellop a little more